George Bromley Boulderson Groube

  General Notes:

Cornwall Census - 1851 - Civil Parish of Falmouth
2,Gillan Vale Cottage, Mary Ann Boulderson,Head,W,,66,Fund Holder,Falmouth Cornwall,,
,,Mary Boulderson, Dau,U,,36,Domestic Duties,Falmouth Cornwall,,
,,George B B Groube,Sonlaw,M,40,,Capt. East India Cpy Service,Madras East Indies Overseas Brit. Subj,,
,,Catherine C Groube,Wife,M,,34,Wife Domestic Duties,Falmouth Cornwall,,
,,Catherine C Groube,Dau,,,8,Scholar,Bettiny East Indies Overseas Brit. Subj,,
,,Thomas Groube,Son,,7,,Scholar,Sholapore E Indies Overseas Brit. Subj,,
,,Edward M Groube,Son,,4,,,Sholapore E Indies Overseas Brit. Subj,,
,,William H B Groube,Son,,11m,,,At Sea Off The Cape Overseas Brit. Subj,,
,,Elizabeth Paddy,Servnt,U,,18,General Servant,Falmouth Cornwall,,
,,Mary Roberts,Servnt,U,,20,General Servant,St Agnes Cornwall,,
,,Elizabeth H Oates,Servnt,U,,16,General Servant,Falmouth Cornwall,,



Colonel George Bromley Boulderson Groube
5th Madras Light Calvary

George Bromley Boulderson Groube was born on the 22nd of May1810, at Fort St. St. George, Madras, and was christened on the 25th August 1810. His father was Captain (later Rear-Admiral) Thomas Groube of the Royal Navy and his mother was Anna Maria (nee Dodson) of Devon.
George received the usual classical and mathematical education. He was a pupil of the Rev. R. Lewis at Honiton, Devon.
George was nominated as a cadet for the EIC 5th Madras Light Cavalry for the 1825 season by EIC Director William Stanley Clarke at the request of his father, Captain T. Groube, R.N. He arrived in India on the 7th of November, 1826 and after a short period of time was posted to the 5th Madras Cavalry which was then serving at Secunderabad.
Inexplicably, the date of Groube's commission as a cadet is given in several sources as the 8th of January 1856, a date prior to even his nomination for a commission.
His service papers indicate that Groube himself asked for confirmation of the date of his commission at one point during his career.
At the time of Groube's appointment to the 5th Madras Light Cavalry, the East India Company had long been in control of the territory that made up the Madras Presidency. The Madras Presidency was to some extent the backwater of military life in India. Unlike the Bengal regiments, service by an officer in a Madras Regiment was unlikely to involve active field service. Generally, even for a junior officer, life was easy and rather routine, perhaps even mundane, with a large part of an officer's time being taken up with sports and hunting, Groube's service record is replete with unusually glowing reports from his superior officers regarding Groube's above average intellect, his zealousness and resourcefulness and his general fitness as an officer, He was also reported to speak Hindustani and some Persian.
George Groube was promoted to Lieutenant on the 2nd May 1832. At that time, the 5th Madras Light Cavalry was stationed at Arcot. He was promoted Captain on the 8th January 1841, when his regiment was stationed at Bellary, and appointed Quartermaster and Interpreter to his corps in March 1944. Captain Groube participated in the arduous campaigning in the Southern Mahratta Country in 1844-45, a campaign for which no medals were sanctioned. On the 20th June 1854, George Groube was promoted to Major in the 5th Madras Light Cavalry. The regiment was then stationed at Kamptee.
On the 10th of May 1857 the sowars of the 3rd Bengal Light Cavalry rose against their British officers at the military cantonment at Meerut in Northern India. The mutiny quickly spread to other Bengal regiments and soon the majority of the native regiments in the Bengal Presidency had either mutinied or been disarmed.
While only a few Madras regiments were ordered into service in the suppression of the Mutiny in northern India (the 1st Madras Fusiliers being a notable example), several were involved in the Central India campaign. The 5th Madras Light Cavalry was one of those regiments. During the Mutiny, Major Groube commanded a Squadron of the 5th Madras Light Cavalry as part of the Kurnool Movable Column. He commanded the entire Column from the 9th of November to the 27th of December 1857. He was then employed with the Bellary Field Force until November of 1858.
For his service during the Mutiny, George Groube was received the Indian Mutiny Medal without clasp, named to him as a Major in the 5th Madras Light Cavalry. It was the only campaign medal he was to receive. In addition, he was promoted to Brevet Lieutenant-Colonel.
The 5th Madras Light Cavalry was disbanded in 1861 after the reorganization of the Army following the transfer of the EIC regiments to the Crown. George Groube, then seconded to the 2nd Madras Cavalry was promoted Colonel and retired on the 31st December 1861, with over 32 years of service. The Times reported that Colonel Groube arrived in England at Southampton on the Peninsular and Oriental Company's screw steamer "Ellora" on the 12th of February 1862.

George Groube had married Charlotte Carne Boulderson (born 1 May 1816 at Falmouth, Cornwall) on the 18th May 1841, at Maharashtra, India. They had the following twelve children:
1. Catherine Charlotte: born 15 June 1842; married William Naylor Carne on 1 October 1863; died 25 November 1878 at St. Agnes, Cornwall.
2. Thomas: born 1 October 1843 at Sholapore; Lieutenant-Colonel 7th Royal Fusiliers entitled to India General Service medal with clasp for Umbeyla; died 1906.
3. Emma: born 1845; died 1846.
4. Edward Montague: born 31 July 1846.
5. Emma: born 1847; died 1848.
6. William: born 1847; died 1848.
7. William Henry Boulderson: born 1 April 1850; drowned 10 June 1864 at Bedford, Bedfordshire in a tragic accident.
8. Horatio Frederick Dodson: born 26 August 1851.
9. Francis Edmund: born 10 November 1852; served in the Royal Navy.
10 Herbert Leslie: born 4 March 1854.
11. Montague Cecil: born 5 April 1855
12. Ernest Sinclair: born 12 August 1856.

Following his retirement, Colonel Groube lived at Bedford, but spent the last years of his life at Combe Raleigh, Devon (curiously, neither George nor his wife appear in the 1871 census.) Charlotte Carne Boulderson Groube died there on the 1st March 1878. Colonel George Bromley Boulderson Groube did not live long after the death of his wife, also dying at Combe Raleigh less than a month and a half later on the 14th April, 1878. He was a month shy of his 68th birthday.

Information from the web site on British Medals.

Juan Delius [Juan.Delius@uni-konstanz.de] notes:
I am interested in the Groubes in the context of a "History of the camps around the ancient estancia Monte Molino, southeastern Córdoba province, Argentina by Juan D. Delius and José S. Lloret, <http://www.pampa-cordobesa.de> .Summary: The foundation of the famous Monte Molino ranch was described by one of its first owners, Richard A. Seymour in an excellent 1869 book "Pioneering in the Pampas or the First Four Years of a Settler's Experience in the La Plata Camps". The farm's further history, and that of the lands surrounding it, is followed-up in this provisional account that is updated at irregular intervals. It covers a southeastern area of the Córdoba province, Argentina, enclosed by the provincial highways 2 (north) and 4 (west), the border with Santa Fe province (east) and the national highway 8 (south). After a chapter X, Introduction, the various camps -Spanglish for larger tracts of land- are successively treated going from east to west in a series of A to N rows that proceed from north to south. A bavarian-puntanic (=to do with San Luis province)-scottish drama that is somewhat related to preceding text is added at the end, chapter Y. Most of the text is in Spanish, but the author, address see above, is prepared to provide English excerpts of sections to anyone with special interests."
Part of land-lot 131, two sqaure leagues of it, -nowadays situated south of Ordonez village, founded only in 1912- became known as estancia Las Bebidasn towards 1865. Villarroel. Bell Ville, p. 287 says that the founders of this estancia were Herberto (=Herbert Leslie) and Horacio (=Horatio Fredrick Dodson) Gruber (=Groube). The Groubes repelled an indian invasion there In 1871. Sama 1976 says that four Groubes were living in estancia Las Bebidas.. However, the Groubes were not the owners. The Revol-Galíndez 1883 map lists (Willam) Naylon (=Naylor) Carne (who was married to a sister Catharine Charlotte Groube) and (Edward) Clefton (=Clifton) Carne, Falmouth, England as owners. The first Groubes probably came to Argentina in 1869 when the Carnes bought -in fact a cousin? Walter Adolphus was the de-facto buyer of the above mentioned land. In 1888. Herberto Leslie Groube bought half of the Carne's land, and in 1900 the other half. In 1891 this Las Bebidas posession was divided between the tree brothers Horacio F. D., Herberto L, and Monte (=Montague) C. Groube, the latter resident in Chilecito, La Rioja province; north-west Argentina, the two former both iresident n the Bell Ville area; all were still unmarried. Herbert G. died in 1905, his brother Horacio inheriting his third. By 1913 Monte had sold his third; before in 1894 he had married Laura Garner, Rosario ; however he had had two natural daughters Elina and Aurora Groube in Chilecito. Horacio died 1920 in Bell Ville, still single, but in 1891 he had recognised Rosa and Federico Groube as his natural children.
Further brothers of Herbert, Horacio and Monte were Ernest Sinclair G. (died in Buenos Aires in 1928) and Edward Montague G. (a taylor, died in Buenos Aires in 1823); they do not seem to have been associated with Las Bebidas. There were more brothers (all sons of George Bromley Boulderson Groube) but as far as known they had nothing to do with Argentina.
There is a misterious Ernesto Groube born in Bell Ville in already 1851 ( Córdoba, Rosalia Ferreyra) with son Andrónico Groube (*1877, Bell Ville-+1954, Morón). A widow María Groube (=Grove) de (Blas?) Bresso figures as still owning a large section of Las Bebidas in 1965.

  Noted events in his life were:

• Occupation: Colonel, Madras Regiment, 5th Light Cavalry.

• connection. My connection to Edward Groube (1846) who is one of my Argentinian Groube line enquired about by Juan Delius
is as follows:

Edward Groube (1846)
His father was George Groube (1810)
His father was Thomas Groube (1774) & he also had Rev Horatio Groube (1814)
He had George Groube (1847)
He had Edith Groube (1880) who married Percy Howe (1866)
His father was Robert Howe (1833)
His father was Frederick Howe (1805)
His father was James Howe (1777)
His father was George Howe (1741) & he also had Sarah Howe (1775)
She had Alexander Moss (1811)
She had James Moss (1846)
He had Laura Kershaw Waldock or Moss (1864)
She had Winthrop Larkinson (1889)
He had Dulcie Larkinson (1926) who married Colin Davies (1925)
She had me- Robyn Bray (nee Davies) (1950)

• source. & Juan Delius who writes:
My Groube story has to do with 5 sons of George B.B.Groube, Edward Montague, Horatio Frederick, Herbert Leslie, Montague Cecil, and Ernest Sinclair Groube, having emigrated to Argentina around and after 1870 and having for a time run a large farm that their brother in law .William Naylor Carne (b.1840, Liverpool- d. 1906, m. Catharine Groube, b.1842, India -d.????, Cornwall) and a cousin? of his, Edward Clifton Carne (b. 1823 -d. 1886, m.1852, Buenos Aires, Ellen McClymont, b.1832, Inglaterra -d.1879) owned in Central Argentina. At some point Horatio, Herbert and Montague bought that farm Las Bebidas off the Carnes. Horatio and Montague Groube however worked for a while as gold miners in North Argentina. Montague had at least 2 natural daughters Elina (b.1890, Chilecito -d.1926, Chilecito) and Ramona (b. ) Alvarez there before he married; they were eventually recognized by him and bore the surname Groube.

George married Paulina Lily circa 1838 in Calcutta, West Bengal India (now called Kolkata). (Paulina Lily was born circa 1810.)

George next married Charlotte Carne Boulderson, daughter of J. Boulderson and Mary Ann, on 18 May 1841 in Bombay, Maharashtra India. (Charlotte Carne Boulderson was born on 1 May 1816, christened on 5 Jun 1816 in Falmouth, Cornwall England, died on 1 Mar 1878 in Combe, Raleigh, Devon, England and was buried on 4 Mar 1878.)