Elizabeth Warby

  Research Notes:

From the book "Warby: My Excellent Guide" by Michelle Vale
John and Sarah Warby's eldest daughter, Elizabeth was born on 30th September, 1802 at Prospect and she was baptised on 23rd December, 1804 at St. John's, Anglican Church, Parramatta.
When she was about twelve her father employed a tall, sandy haired young man named James Layton who arrived in the colony aboard the Marquis of Wellington on 27th January, 1815 with a seven year sentence which had been handed down at Middlesex. In 1818 James petitioned Governor Macquarie for a ticket of leave. His referee was John Warby who had found James to be a steady and industrious man during the three year period in which he had employed him.
The young couple's relationship grew and they were married on 8th February, 1820 at St. Philip's, Anglican Church, Sydney. It would seem strange that their marriage did not take place nearer to Campbelltown. Perhaps James, with his origins as a coachman in the city of Birmingham, had tired of country life and having obtained his ticket of leave, gained employment in a printing establishment in Sydney. Their marriage certificate describes him as a printer and their daughter's death certificate describes him as a compositor.
James and Elizabeth's daughter Eleanor Ann was born on 15th March, 1821 and sons William and James followed in 1823 and 1826.
The year 1828 proved to be a sad time for Elizabeth. James died on 23rd February and their third son, John who was born a month later, died in June. How did she cope with the death of her husband, possible post natal depression, the death of her baby and the worry of running a 30 acre farm at Airds on which she employed four men? Some help would have come from a female servant who, no doubt, was employed in the house and moral support would have been given by her family.
Elizabeth married James Kiernan on 23th February, 1829. A witness to the marriage was Elizabeth's sister Mary. James Kiernan was a medical superintendent on the Aquilar which arrived on 10th February, 1824. Dr. Kiernan would have been considered an excellent catch. This is probably the only marriage by any of John Warby's children to a person unblemished by the convict stain. Such was the social pressure of having emancipist parents, regardless of their status in the community or material wealth. It was not until John Warby's grandchildren began marrying that this pattern was broken.
On the other hand James Kiernan, who was landless and possibly had little income, may have seen material benefits in his marriage to a young widow who owned a farm. On his arrival in the colony, James was appointed surgeon at Wellington Valley with an annual salary of fifty pounds. A disagreement developed between James and Percy Simpson, the commandant at Wellington. James objected to extra duties imposed upon him which appear to have been that of superintendent of stores. He also complained that his professional decisions were over ridden when he exempted sick men from work in the fields and they were ordered out by Simpson. James also mentioned the wretched conditions under which he treated the sick. Their huts were primitive and let in the weather and although milk was available, none was given to sick convicts. On the other hand Simpson complained that Dr. Kiernan had gone on kangaroo shooting expeditions, thus absenting himself from duty.
Against the orders of his commandant, James returned to Sydney on 28th September where his services were dispensed with. In December 1824 James wrote from Sydney to Sir Thomas Brisbane asking for an appointment as surgeon in some other place. Having not received an appointment by May 1825, James wrote in some desperation to Brisbane explaining that he had consumed the whole of his means and was willing to accept an appointment in his profession or in any other area which the governor thought fit.
A year after their marriage James wrote to Governor Ralph Darling asking for a grant of land for the purpose of clearing it and using it to cultivate crops. In his memorial he stated that he possessed forty-two acres at Airds which he received as gifts with his wife as a marriage portion. He also owned forty head of horned cattle, working bullocks, ploughs, harrows and that he employed two free men and four convicts. James' referee was William Howe, Superintendent of Police who described James as being a respectable character who had lived in the neighbourhood for two years. At this stage James had not bought land or received a grant. It is not known how Elizabeth gained possession of land before their marriage but it can be assumed that some of this land, if not all, had been a gift from her father.
Having obtained an order to select a grant of land, James wrote to Major Mitchell the Surveyor General in May 1831 informing him that he had selected land near Stonequarry Creek. The deed for this land was executed on 30th September, 1841.
In 1833 James wrote to Governor Richard Bourke explaining that the forty acres which he held adjoining the township of Redbank, near Picton, were badly situated for water and he asked for land in the town on which he could build a house which could be licensed for the accommodation of travellers. This request was refused.
James bought 640 acres at Jellore near the source of the Nattai River on October, 1837. He paid 160 pounds for this land. At this time he employed two convicts at Redbank.
Some time around 1845, James and Elizabeth joined the steady stream of settlers travelling south to the Albury area. Also moving south at about this time were Elizabeth's sons William and James Layton, her daughter Eleanor, now married to James Keighran, and Elizabeth's brothers Benjamin, Robert and James Warby. They travelled by bullock wagon, camping along the way. Many of these family groups travelled slowly droving their sheep and cattle along the road.
Elizabeth proved to be a capable needlewoman and her work won prizes at bazaars. She hated sewing machines and said that they only made people lazy. As for washing machines, they destroyed the clothes. Elizabeth remained bright and alert right up to her death on 12th July, 1894 at the age of 91. She had become the matriarchal figure of the family in Albury and delighted in entertaining her grandchildren with stories of the olden days when her father accompanied Governor Macquarie in his bush travels and in hunting aborigines who were troublesome in those far off days. Sadly, Elizabeth outlived her sons William and James.

  Noted events in her life were:

• connection. The connection between Bridget Haylock and Les is as follows:
Bridget Haylock (1963)
Her father was Robert Haylock (1927) who married Janice Edgar (1933)
Her father was Hector Edgar (1903) who married Margaret Cooper (1903)
Her father was Charles Cooper (1862) who married Sarah Sharp (1868)
Her father was Robert Sharp (1868) who married Elizabeth Warby (1847)
Her father was Benjamin Warby (1825)
His father was Benjamin Warby (1805)
His father was John Warby (1767) & he also had Elizabeth Warby (1802) who married James Layton (1804)
They had Eleanor Layton (1821) who married James Keighran (1808)
They had John Keighran (1845)
He had Joseph Keighran (1879)
He had Leslie Keighran (1904)
He had Mary Keighran (1927) who married Mervyn Collins (1924)
They had Les Collins (my ex husband) who married Robyn Bray (nee Davies) (1950)

• connection. ⁴³⁹ My connection to Belinda Cohen (nee Crossley) who also wrote "Descendants of Dr David Ramsay (1794) is as follows:
Belinda Crossley (1971) married Jarood Cohen(1972)
Her parents were Brenda & Bruce Crossley (1943)
His father was Kenric Crossley (1912) who married Alison Johnson (1913)
Her father was Claude Johnson (1885)
His father was James Johnson (1856) who married Margaret Wood (1859)
Her father was Thomas Wood (c1825) who married Mary Armstrong (1829)
Her father was Thomas Armstrong (1791) & he also had Janet Armstrong (1816) who married Christopher Dixon (1812)
They had Janet Dixon (1853) who married Harry Hiscock (c1846)
They had Frank Hiscock (1873) who married Emily Wallis (1875)
Her father was William Wallis (1849) who married Victorine Groube (1851)
Her father was Rev Horatio Groube (1814) & he also had George Groube (1847)
He had Edith Groube (1880) who married Percy Howe (1866)
His father was Robert Howe (1833)
His father was Frederick Howe (1805)
His father was James Howe (1777)
His father was George Howe (1741) & he also had Sarah Howe (1775)
She had Alexander Moss (1811)
She had James Moss (1846)
He had Laura Kershaw Waldock or Moss (1864)
She had Winthrop Larkinson (1889)
He had Dulcie Larkinson (1926) who married Colin Davies (1925)
They had me- Robyn Bray (nee Davies) (1950)

Louise Barton's connection to Belinda Cohen (nee Crossley) who also wrote "Descendants of Dr David Ramsay (1794) is as follows:
Belinda Crossley (1971) married Jarood Cohen(1972)
Her parents were Brenda & Bruce Crossley (1943)
His father was Kenric Crossley (1912) who married Alison Johnson (1913)
Her father was Claude Johnson (1885)
His father was James Johnson (1856) who married Margaret Wood (1859)
Her father was Thomas Wood (c1825) who married Mary Armstrong (1829)
Her father was Thomas Armstrong (1791) & he also had Janet Armstrong (1816) who married Christopher Dixon (1812)
They had Janet Dixon (1853) who married Harry Hiscock (c1846)
His father was William Hiscock (1810) & he also had Thomas Hiscock (1840)
He had George Hiscock (1886) who married Margaret Bowers (1887)
Her father was Silvester Bowers (c1850) who married Martha MacKinlay (1855)
Her father was George MacKinlay (1818) & he also had Ellen MacKinlay (1870) who married Joseph Murphy (1863)
They had William Murphy (1905) who married Olga Bray (1909)
Her father was James Bray (1879)
His father was William Bray (1857) & he also had William Bray (1878) who married Lilly Hennessey (1879)
Her father was William Hennessey (1843) who married Emma Warby (1846)
Her father was Joseph Warby (1818) who married Elizabeth Fowler (1819)
Her father was Henry Fowler (1791) & he also had Mary Fowler (1812) who married Adolphus Coulon (1806)
His father was Joseph Coulon (1763) who married Helene Cottrell (1768) who also married Andre de Mestre (1755)
They had Prosper de Mestre (1789)
He had Katherine de Mestre (1836) who married David Ramsay (1832)
He had Kenelm Kierston Ramsay (1877)
He had Robin Ramsay (1921) who married Robert Barton (1918)
They had Louise Barton (1951) who is partners with Lyn Fletcher (nee Davies) (1952) who is my sister

Louise Barton's links to Les Collins are as follows:
Louise Barton (1951)
Her father was Robert Barton (1918) who married Robin Ramsay (1921)
Her father was Kenelm Kierston Ramsay (1877)
His father was David Ramsay (1832) who married Katherine de Mestre (1836
Her father was Prosper de Mestre (1789)
His father was Andre de Mestre (1755) who married Helene Cottrell (1768) who also married Joseph Coulon (1763)
He had Adolphus Coulon (1806) who married Mary Fowler (1812)
Her father was Henry Fowler (1791) & he also had Elizabeth Fowler (1819) who married Joseph Warby (1818)
His father was John Warby (c1767) & he also had Elizabeth Warby (1802) who married James Layton (c1804)
They had Eleanor Layton (1821) who married James Keighran (1808) who also had John Joseph Keighran (1845)
He had Joseph Keighran (1879)
He had Leslie William Keighran (1904)
He had Mary Keigrhan (1927) who married Mervyn Collins (1924)
They had Les Collins (1950) who married me - Robyn Bray (nee Davies) (1950)

• note. ⁴⁴⁰ From the book "Warby: My Excellent Guide" by Michelle Vale

John and Sarah Warby's eldest daughter, Elizabeth was born on 30th September, 1802 at Prospect and she was baptised on 23rd December, 1804 at St. John's, Anglican Church, Parramatta.

When she was about twelve her father employed a tall, sandy haired young man named James Layton who arrived in the colony aboard the Marquis of Wellington on 27th January, 1815 with a seven year sentence which had been handed down at Middlesex. In 1818 James petitioned Governor Macquarie for a ticket of leave. His referee was John Warby who had found James to be a steady and industrious man during the three year period in which he had employed him.

The young couple's relationship grew and they were married on 8th February, 1820 at St. Philip's, Anglican Church, Sydney. It would seem strange that their marriage did not take place nearer to Campbelltown. Perhaps James, with his origins as a coachman in the city of Birmingham, had tired of country life and having obtained his ticket of leave, gained employment in a printing establishment in Sydney. Their marriage certificate describes him as a printer and their daughter's death certificate describes him as a compositor.

James and Elizabeth's daughter Eleanor Ann was born on 15th March, 1821 and sons William and James followed in 1823 and 1826.

The year 1828 proved to be a sad time for Elizabeth. James died on 23rd February and their third son, John who was born a month later, died in June. How did she cope with the death of her husband, possible post natal depression, the death of her baby and the worry of running a 30 acre farm at Airds on which she employed four men? Some help would have come from a female servant who, no doubt, was employed in the house and moral support would have been given by her family.

Elizabeth married James Kiernan on 23th February, 1829. A witness to the marriage was Elizabeth's sister Mary. James Kiernan was a medical superintendent on the Aquilar which arrived on 10th February, 1824. Dr. Kiernan would have been considered an excellent catch. This is probably the only marriage by any of John Warby's children to a person unblemished by the convict stain. Such was the social pressure of having emancipist parents, regardless of their status in the community or material wealth. It was not until John Warby's grandchildren began marrying that this pattern was broken.

On the other hand James Kiernan, who was landless and possibly had little income, may have seen material benefits in his marriage to a young widow who owned a farm. On his arrival in the colony, James was appointed surgeon at Wellington Valley with an annual salary of fifty pounds. A disagreement developed between James and Percy Simpson, the commandant at Wellington. James objected to extra duties imposed upon him which appear to have been that of superintendent of stores. He also complained that his professional decisions were over ridden when he exempted sick men from work in the fields and they were ordered out by Simpson. James also mentioned the wretched conditions under which he treated the sick. Their huts were primitive and let in the weather and although milk was available, none was given to sick convicts. On the other hand Simpson complained that Dr. Kiernan had gone on kangaroo shooting expeditions, thus absenting himself from duty.

Against the orders of his commandant, James returned to Sydney on 28th September where his services were dispensed with. In December 1824 James wrote from Sydney to Sir Thomas Brisbane asking for an appointment as surgeon in some other place. Having not received an appointment by May 1825, James wrote in some desperation to Brisbane explaining that he had consumed the whole of his means and was willing to accept an appointment in his profession or in any other area which the governor thought fit.

A year after their marriage James wrote to Governor Ralph Darling asking for a grant of land for the purpose of clearing it and using it to cultivate crops. In his memorial he stated that he possessed forty-two acres at Airds which he received as gifts with his wife as a marriage portion. He also owned forty head of horned cattle, working bullocks, ploughs, harrows and that he employed two free men and four convicts. James' referee was William Howe, Superintendent of Police who described James as being a respectable character who had lived in the neighbourhood for two years. At this stage James had not bought land or received a grant. It is not known how Elizabeth gained possession of land before their marriage but it can be assumed that some of this land, if not all, had been a gift from her father.

Having obtained an order to select a grant of land, James wrote to Major Mitchell the Surveyor General in May 1831 informing him that he had selected land near Stonequarry Creek. The deed for this land was executed on 30th September, 1841.

In 1833 James wrote to Governor Richard Bourke explaining that the forty acres which he held adjoining the township of Redbank, near Picton, were badly situated for water and he asked for land in the town on which he could build a house which could be licensed for the accommodation of travellers. This request was refused.

James bought 640 acres at Jellore near the source of the Nattai River on October, 1837. He paid 160 pounds for this land. At this time he employed two convicts at Redbank.

Some time around 1845, James and Elizabeth joined the steady stream of settlers travelling south to the Albury area. Also moving south at about this time were Elizabeth's sons William and James Layton, her daughter Eleanor, now married to James Keighran, and Elizabeth's brothers Benjamin, Robert and James Warby. They travelled by bullock wagon, camping along the way. Many of these family groups travelled slowly droving their sheep and cattle along the road.

Elizabeth proved to be a capable needlewoman and her work won prizes at bazaars. She hated sewing machines and said that they only made people lazy. As for washing machines, they destroyed the clothes. Elizabeth remained bright and alert right up to her death on 12th July, 1894 at the age of 91. She had become the matriarchal figure of the family in Albury and delighted in entertaining her grandchildren with stories of the olden days when her father accompanied Governor Macquarie in his bush travels and in hunting aborigines who were troublesome in those far off days. Sadly, Elizabeth outlived her sons William and James.

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Elizabeth married James Layton on 8 Feb 1820 in St Philips C of E, York St, Sydney, NSW Australia. (James Layton was born in 1802 in Birmingham, Warwickshire England, christened on 23 Dec 1804 in Birmingham, Warwickshire England and died on 23 Feb 1828 in Campbelltown, Sydney, NSW Australia.)

Elizabeth next married James Kiernan on 23 Feb 1829 in NSW Australia. (James Kiernan was born in 1800 in England and died in Dec 1865.)