Edward Evans

  General Notes:

C & S P note:
Edward was the informant of his father's death certificate & he states he was living at Wellington Street, Waterloo which is only a couple of streets away from where his father was living.
Also the witnesses were J. Cameron & E. Evans whom I think was the wife of Edward, being (Elizabeth Shipway) not Fanny Stoneman as some have stated being the wife of Edward Evans.

There were two Edward Evans: one born in 1833 to James Evans and Sarah Dunn & the other being born in 1834 to James Evans and Mary.

Keith Hope notes:
I write in connection with your web site detailing those to whom you are related. In this connection I commend you for the thoroughness of your endeavours and your generosity in making the details of your research more widely available.
· My comments that follow are not a criticism of your work, but merely a request for clarification.
· I am particularly interested in your comments regarding Edward Evans (as a son of James Evans and Sarah Dunn).
· You attribute Elizabeth Shipway as his wife and make a point of discounting Fanny Stoneman ("as some have stated").
· In this connection you may be correct but the evidence you quote for such assertion contains contradictions.
· As I do not live in Sydney I do not have ready access to the official BDM records but have undertaken some limited research using Trove.
· I have determined (through newspaper accounts) that Elizabeth Evans (nee Shipway) died on 1 April 1914 at Redfern and is referred to as "Mrs Elizabeth Evans mother of Edward Evans and sister of Mr Charles Shipway" [thus confirming the Evans - Shipway connection] (although the actual name of her husband is never given).
· Your web page on Edward Evans (born 1833) also attributes his death as 9 January 1900 (age 67).
· Again this is confirmed by contemporary newspaper accounts.
· However the newspaper accounts of the Edward Evans who died on 9 January 1900 go on the attribute him as "the dearly beloved husband of Fanny Evans".
· For "Fanny Evans" you may read "Fanny Stoneman".
· There are a number of Funeral Notices published on 11 January 1900, one of which is inserted by "Amy Armour".
· For Amy Armour you may read "Amy Alice Evans" - a daughter of the union of Edward Evans and Fanny Stoneman (who subsequently married Thomas Armour - hence the surname).
· On your web page you also note that there was another Edward Evans - born 1834. The only reference I can find to this Edward Evans is a person of that name born at Bathurst in 1834 to James Evans and Mary Ann Roberts.
· There is no record that this Edward Evans ever married - or even came to Sydney.
· The conundrum thus is - who was the husband of Elizabeth Shipway?
· If it was Edward Evans - which Edward Evans?
· Interestingly you attribute the marriage of Edward Evans and Elizabeth Shipway to St Pauls Redfern in 1855 while the Edward Evans who married Fanny Stoneman was also married in 1855 (but at Scotts Church Pitt Street).
· The other dilemma here is that the children you attribute to Edward Evans and Elizabeth Shipway are quite different to the children attributed to Edward Evans and Fanny Stoneman.
· Clearly they were different families but with fathers of the same name.
· I also quote from Perry McIntyre & Adele Cathro's work: "Thomas Dunn's Decedents" who attributes the Edward Evans who died 9 January 1900 as a son of Janes Evans and Sarah Matilda Dunn and the husband of Fanny Stoneman.

Based on Keith Hope's comments I have removed Edward Evans (1833)'s death as being 9 Jan 1900 because I suspect it is probably incorrect.

However, he later added:
I'm not sure that just removing Edward's death date solves the problem.
It would seem clear that if you use the Edward Evans who is the son of James Evans and Sarah Dunn you then have to substitute Fanny Stoneman as his wife. However if you use Elizabeth Shipway as Edward Evan's husband you can not claim James Evans and Sarah Dunn as Edward's parents. Given that the people who originally gave you the information are no longer available it leaves you in a bit of a quandary. My guess is that Edward Evans with Fanny Stoneman is the best option (unless you can obtain evidence to the contrary).
As for my connection with Edward Evans & Fanny Stoneman it is through my former wife's family as follows: Edward Evans & Fanny Stoneman had Amy Alice Evans who married Thomas Armour. Their son Thomas Roy Armour married Ethel Gwendolyn Stevens. Their son Douglas Thomas Barrie Armour married Shirley Patterson Spry. Their daughter was Susan Gwendolyn Armour who was my former wife. Susan & I had Simon Hope (our son who now has a couple of kiddies of his own).
I think you will find this connection if you google the Ausigen.com web site and search for Edward Evans and follow the links.

So now I'm not sure, maybe someone else could advise me?

Colin Weir later wrote:
I read with interest the accounts of the two Edward Evans. Because of the duplication of names associated with these two gentlemen of similar age, it is little wonder that there was acute confusion, as to who was who. Maybe, I can cast a little light on the subject, as I have conducted an exhaustive family search on the Bathurst born, Edward Evans' mother, Mary Ann Evans (nee Roberts). Mary Ann was twice married. Her first husband was Richard Lewis. Richard was the first Superintendent at the Bathurst settlement in 1815 and Mary Ann, was incidentally the first "white" woman to live west of the Great Dividing Range. They had eight children (5 boys & 3 girls). Richard died in 1828. Mary Ann married James Evans in 1829, at Kelso (near Bathurst) and had three boys to union. Edward Evans was the youngest of these boys, born at Wyagdon (16 miles north of Bathurst), on April 15, 1834. At some time after 1847, Mary Ann brought her two younger boys, John and Edward to live in Redfern, Sydney. John married Mary Doodson at St. Laurence Church, George Street, Sydney, on November 5, 1852. He died at the young age of 41 years on May 11, 1872.
Edward married Elizabeth Shipway at St. Pauls Church, Redfern on October 20, 1855. They had seven children, (two boys & five girls) before Edward's untimely death in 1871 in Sydney. Edward was my great grandfather and his daughter, Ada Alice Weir (nee Evans) was my grandmother.

  Noted events in his life were:

• connection. ⁶⁰⁶ Keith Hope 's connection to me is as follows:
Keith Hope . . .
Is linked in some way to . . .
Edward Evans (1833)
His father was James Evans (1801) who married Sarah Dunn (1811)
Her father was Thomas Dunn (1776) who married Rose Bean (1785)
Her father was James Bean (1753) & he also had James Bean (1788)
He had Lucy Bean (1897) who married Phillip Collett (1819)
They had Arthur Collett (1848) who married Rebecca Sutherland (1858)
Her father was John Sutherland (1829) & he also had Elizabeth Sutherland (1863) who married John Nicol (1844)
They had Helen Nicol (1889) who married George Davies (1894)
He had Colin Davies (1925)
He had me - Robyn Bray (nee Davies) (1950)

Edward married Elizabeth Shipway, daughter of John Shipway and Elizabeth, on 20 Oct 1855 in St Pauls, Cleveland St, Redfern, Sydney, NSW Australia.⁶⁰⁵ (Elizabeth Shipway was born in 1834 and died on 1 Apr 1913 in Redfern, Sydney, NSW Australia ⁶⁰⁶.)