Sarah Lear

  Research Notes:

Ann Belanger's notes on the ID of Edwin Rose's father
1851
Citing this Record
"England and Wales Census, 1851," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/SGGR-NWD : accessed 13 February 2015), James Rose, England; from "1851 England, Scotland and Wales census," index and images, findmypast (www.findmypast.com : n.d.); citing PRO HO 107, The National Archives of the UK, Kew, Surrey.


1841 census with brothers and sister - father not present


Piece: HO107/937/reg Place: Catsash -Somerset Enumeration District: 12
Civil Parish: North Cadbury Ecclesiastical Parish: North Cadbury
Folio: 23 Page: 7
Address: North Cadbury

ROSE Sarah 35 Outside Census County (1841)
ROSE John 14 Outside Census County (1841)
ROSE Charles 11 Somerset
ROSE James 9 Somerset
ROSE George 5 Somerset
ROSE Edwin 6m Somerset

Since the UK census was done in June 1841, that means that Edwin was likely born Jan 1841 or Dec 1840. Also - Sarah was born outside somerset as was the oldest son. That leads me to believe that her husband was likely from outside the county and that they were likely married outside the county.



1851 with brothers and sisters and father is now dead

ROSE Sarah Head W46 Dorset - Gillingham
ROSE James Son 18 Somerset - North Cadbury

ROSE George Son 15 Somerset - North Cadbury
Page: 76/18
ROSE Edwin Son 7 Somerset - North Cadbury
ROSE Uaraah HerculisSon 6 Somerset - North Cadbury

ROSE Herbert Son 6m Somerset - North Cadbury


The name is messed up but this is Pharoah Hercules - and younger brother Herbert who also becomes Lucas. Note that Herbert is only 6 months old - meaning that the father has died very recently since Sarah says she is a widow here.

Except that at <http://www.freereg.org.uk/> I found this record of birth for our Edwin born January 1841 - as suspected above:
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And Sarah says that she is a widow in 1841 at Edwin's birth!! She did not state that on the census!! So - John has died before or close to the time Edwin is born? Which calls into question - who is the father for Hercules and Edmond?
At this point, I begin to wonder if Sarah Lear and John Rose split up and Sarah has children by more than one partner? Is Edwin's middle name - Winter - an indication of the father? I don't know and the father is not named on the abbreviated record noted above.

Sarah also says that she was born in Gillingham - this leads me to believe that her son John was and possibly her husband as well.

In the 1841 census (which gives place of birth) there were lots of Roses. I narrowed the choices down to those with names of Sarah's sons (John, James, George, Charles, Edwin, Hercules). I indicated that they had to be born outside the census area and this is the result:
Possibilities for Edwin's father based on 1841 census Somerset where the family is all together exceot Dad who must have been at work and counted there. Based on Sarah is 35 then Dad should be 35-45 and therefore born 1795 - 1806
I have deleted all the women except Sarah.

The first 3 sons of the couple are John Charles and James. The next are George and Herbert and our Edwin. I imagine the father is one of these names (possibly!) He should also be about the same age as Sarah - 35. I have highlighted these.

ntblntblGeorge Rose 45 Cabinet Maker Somerset 1796 Outside of SomersetView more details <http://www.ukcensusonline.com/transaction/products.php>ntbl John Rose 40 Carrier Somerset 1801 Outside of SomersetView more details <http://www.ukcensusonline.com/transaction/products.php>ntbl James Rose 40 Labourer Somerset 1801View more details <http://www.ukcensusonline.com/transaction/products.php>ntbl John Rose 40 Paper Maker Somerset 1801 Outside of SomersetView more details <http://www.ukcensusonline.com/transaction/products.php>ntbl James Rose 40 Somerset 1801View more details <http://www.ukcensusonline.com/transaction/products.php>ntbl John Rose 36 Somerset 1805View more details <http://www.ukcensusonline.com/transaction/products.php>ntbl John Rose 35 Ag Labourer Somerset 1806View more details <http://www.ukcensusonline.com/transaction/products.php>ntbl George Rose 35 Ostler Somerset 1806View more details <http://www.ukcensusonline.com/transaction/products.php>ntbl Sarah Rose 35 Somerset 1806 Outside of SomersetView more details <http://www.ukcensusonline.com/transaction/products.php>ntbl George Rose 35 Labourer Somerset 1806


Since in 1851, Sarah says that she was born in Gillingham and since she was only about 21 when the first child - John - was born, I thought I would look at Gillingham for our John. With that, I found the following on family search:

John Rose
England and Wales Census, 1841
ntblName: John Rosentbl Event Type: Censusntbl Event Date: 1841ntbl Gender: Malentbl Age: 40ntbl Birthplace: Dorsetntbl Schedule Type: Householdntbl Registration District: Shaftesburyntbl Sub-District: Gillinghamntbl Parish: Gillinghamntbl County: Dorsetshire The details are on findmypast and I do not subscribe to anything there at this point so I do not know his trade. I am almost certain that this will turn out to be him. He is the only John Rose in the 1841 census in Gillingham.

Of course the puzzle is - why is Sarah not there? I don't know.

To confirm the relationship between John Rose and Sarah Lear, I went looking for a marriage record in Gillingham and found this on familysearch.org:


John Rose
mentioned in the record of John Rose and Sarah Lear
ntblName: John Rose <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXQM-QZG>ntbl Spouse's Name: Sarah Lear <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXQM-QZL>ntbl Event Date: 1825ntbl Event Place: Gillingham, Dorset, EnglandIndexing Project (Batch) Number: M15877-2 <https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=+batch_number:M15877-2> , System Origin: England-VR , GS Film number: 1279498 <https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1279498> , Reference ID: 2:291XF7B

Given the location - Gillingham - and the names and ages, I believe that John Rose married Sarah Lear in 1825 in Gillingham, Dorset. Sarah would have been about 20. By 1851, John has died very young leaving Sarah with 6 sons still at home. Only the oldest - John - has left by the 1851 census.
In addition, I found this:
This is part of a transcription of marriages in Gillingham dorset:
http://www.opcdorset.org/GillinghamFiles/GillinghamMars_1837.htm
1825 03-Jan John ROSE otp & Sarah LEAR otp otp means of this place
And another record which gives the exact date - from family search.org:
John Rose
mentioned in the record of John Rose and Sarah Lear
ntblName: John Rose <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NK6B-T8S>ntbl Spouse's Name: Sarah Lear <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NK6B-T89>ntbl Event Date: 03 Jan 1825ntbl Event Place: Gillingham, Dorset, EnglandIndexing Project (Batch) Number: M15877-2 <https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=+batch_number:M15877-2> , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 1279498 <https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1279498>
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